Ongoing discussions within the SWIM communities of interest

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SWIM Communities of interest face-to-face meeting to be held back-to-back with the SWIM implementation workshop.

this page is in WORKING status

This page intents to contain the minutes of the face to face meeting.

Current status :

  • the presentations used during the meeting are included
  • the notes taken are being processed

Once the page is ready, SITCOM and SSCONE members will be informed.

Meeting details

Venue

Date: 12 Dec 2019  0900-1600

Location: ECTL HQ Brussels (meeting room "General Aviation")

webex link: https://eurocontrol-conferences.webex.com/join/wvanhamm   |  706 775 248    

Objectives

The meeting aims to:

  • have end of year review
  • discuss some technical subjects
  • identify future activities

Agenda

ItemSWIM COITitleTime
1allWelcome, Objectives, Agenda,0900
2allReview of the year and specification status0915


Coffee1000
3all

Update on tasks

1020
4allReview of /wiki/spaces/SCOI/pages/59606150 in service development1050
5SITCOM (star)Review/approval of candidate better practices. See Defining better practices1130


Lunch1200
6SITCOM (star)Work on Semantic correspondence training material1300


Coffee1430
7allDiscussion on next year's activities1450
8allAny other business1535
9allClose1600

(star) These sessions are most relevant to those interested in the information aspects of SWIM. However, they are useful to those developing services.

1. Welcome

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2. Retrospective & Specification status

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What went well

  • Comments handled by the group; dialogue on comments; the Confluence tool.
  • Supporting material and related discussions are helpful

What could be improved

  • JSON Schema comes as a surprise. Not only is it a different format (JSON instead of XML), but the structure and ordering  is different and requires analysis to see mapping.
  • Examples should come in JSON as well. Including their conformance assessment.
  • Participants have put their internal work on XML service descriptions on hold. Waiting to know whether the Registry would accept XML as well.
  • Question raised is Why JSON? 

  • There is a lack of coordination with other groups such as EUROCAE WG104 and Registry CCB. This raises concerns. This seems like SWIM stove pipes. The SWIM related activities need be more coordinated. One example is where is the format discussed.
  • The SWIM implementation workshop should have brought a better visibility to the SWIM COIs. 
  • Could we bring together the various COIs and CCBs?
  • Registry decisions have a big impact. Suggestion is to have debrief from Registry in next meeting, that would bring clarity and answers to questions (no need for marketing). Eg on Example, conformance, list of Schemas in Registry, …

  • Level of engagement of some members.

3. Update on tasks

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Task Evolving the handbook

  • Evergreen (~living doc) vs sprint
    • Both are needed. Depending on kind of changes (whether small correction or completely new advice).  
    • Ok for the change log.
  • Handbooks version is currently 1.0.0 alpha. There is no need to maintain this at alpha.
  • A request is expressed to export all pages as a single pdf doc. This requires an add-on currently not installed for SWIM Confluence.
    • Investigate about exporting as a single pdf (action WILSON Scott )
    • Note that the "Full table of content" section of the ServDesc handbook or the InfoDefn handbook is a generated TOC listing all pages within the handbook. This is helps in knowing precisely what the content of the handbook is.

4.-6. Work items

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4. /wiki/spaces/SCOI/pages/59606150

5. Defining better practices

6. Semantic correspondence training material

7. Next year's activities

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Evolving objectives & activities

Elements flowing out of the discussions

  • Registry needs to be made live.
    • Risk exists however that it will be full of services that nobody uses.
  • Operational use may be slow to pick up at least in ATM. UTM may be quicker
    • geofencing initiatives may not be aligned
  • nice to look at WFS for METAR services
  • identify simple use cases where SWIM makes an impact (eg should we be starting with UTM?)
  • make the conformance evidence a stronger requirement
  • check the registry conforms to the specs
  • consider PANS - it will lead to service overviews
  • still focus on the "used effectively" part of the initial objectives. The word support is too strong, it is give advice and highlight advice.

Meetings

Participants opted for joint progress meetings on Monday 2pm every 6 week. Invitation will follow

For other meetings (technical webex or F2F), it would be useful to separate Service subjects from Information subjects, as not everyone is interested in both.  

8. Any other business

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9. Close

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